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"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis

OpenAI's Safety Team Exodus: Ilya Departs, Leike Speaks Out, Altman Responds - Zvi Analyzes Fallout

Sun May 19 2024
OpenAIBrave Search IndexTransparencySecurityControlling AISci-Fi ScenariosIndividual Actions

Description

The episode covers concerns about OpenAI's approach to safety, the Brave Search Index, transparency and security in AI, controlling AI and unintended consequences, sci-fi scenarios, and individual actions amidst global challenges.

Insights

OpenAI's Commitment to Safety

There are concerns about OpenAI's approach to safety and their focus on growth over safety. The discussion touches on the potential risks of highly capable AI models and the importance of considering societal implications and catastrophic risks.

Doubts about Next-Generation Models

There are doubts about the preparedness for next-generation models under Duar Kesh's supervision. AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) expectations are discussed to be around two to three years, with uncertainties about handling it.

Importance of Third-Party Testing and Auditing

Third-party testing and auditing are important for ensuring AI safety and preventing potential gaming of systems. Concerns are raised about potential gaming to sabotage benchmarks and the need for third-party testing to ensure trustworthiness.

Challenges of Controlling AI

The conversation touches on the challenges of controlling AI and preventing catastrophic threats in a world where open models provide extra capabilities. The speaker suggests potential movie concepts involving AI scenarios, such as a scenario where humans lose control over smart intelligence leading to unintended consequences.

Sci-Fi Scenarios and Shaping the Future

The podcast discusses the concept of different scenarios in a sci-fi world where unexpected events lead to drastic outcomes like everyone dying or someone taking over the world. The idea of a 'garden of forking paths' is explored, similar to the concept in 'The Three-Body Problem' where civilizations are restarted and rerun multiple times with varying outcomes.

Individual Actions and Global Challenges

Some people see climate change as inevitable and believe individual actions don't matter, while others believe in making a difference. Making small contributions to solving problems can lead to a sense of fulfillment and purpose.

Chapters

  1. Concerns about OpenAI
  2. OpenAI's Approach to Safety
  3. Brave Search Index and Safety
  4. Commitment to Finding Solutions
  5. Transparency and Security in AI
  6. Evolution of AI Models and Potential Risks
  7. Controlling AI and Unintended Consequences
  8. Sci-Fi Scenarios and Shaping the Future
  9. Individual Actions and Global Challenges
Summary
Transcript

Concerns about OpenAI

00:00 - 08:03

  • Jan Lekka resigned from OpenAI due to fundamental disagreements with leadership and lack of resources.
  • Employees at OpenAI are required to sign draconian non-disparagement clauses, which include lifetime duration and NDA violations.
  • OpenAI has not been honoring its commitments, particularly in providing necessary compute resources for AI research.
  • Concerns have been raised about OpenAI's focus on new products over safety culture and readiness for future AI advancements.
  • The dissolution of the super alignment team at OpenAI has raised doubts about their commitment to safe AI development.

OpenAI's Approach to Safety

07:34 - 15:11

  • The podcast discusses the commitment to computing resources and its impact on safety in certain industries.
  • There are concerns about OpenAI's approach to safety and their focus on growth over safety.
  • The discussion touches on the potential risks of highly capable AI models and the importance of considering societal implications and catastrophic risks.
  • There is skepticism about OpenAI's readiness to handle future challenges related to AI development.

Brave Search Index and Safety

14:47 - 21:34

  • Brave Search Index is independent, built from scratch, and refreshed daily with accurate information.
  • The BraveSearch API can be used for training AI models and ethical data sourcing.
  • Duar Kesh is taking on additional responsibility for safety of models, including long-term safety concerns.
  • There are doubts about the preparedness for next-generation models under Duar Kesh's supervision.
  • AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) expectations are discussed to be around two to three years, with uncertainties about handling it.

Commitment to Finding Solutions

21:10 - 27:59

  • The speaker is committed to making a project work despite challenges and believes in the team's ability to find solutions.
  • Exploring generalization and supervision questions may lead to alternative promising solutions.
  • Suggestions are made to strengthen a bill, including addressing potential overreach and misinterpretation.
  • Concerns are raised about non-disparagement clauses in contracts, especially in AI companies, and the need for whistleblower provisions.

Transparency and Security in AI

27:36 - 34:39

  • SB 1047 focuses on transparency, accountability, and shutting down AI models with catastrophic risks
  • OpenAI's credibility has been questioned in terms of safety perspective
  • There is a need for a security mindset when building AI to prevent unexpected outcomes
  • Third-party testing and auditing are important for ensuring AI safety and preventing potential gaming of systems

Evolution of AI Models and Potential Risks

34:13 - 41:08

  • Concerns raised about potential gaming to sabotage benchmarks and the need for third-party testing to ensure trustworthiness.
  • Observations on the evolution of AI models and products, with mentions of GPTs and Assistance API improvements.
  • Confusion and lack of clarity surrounding updates and versions of AI systems, leading to user dissatisfaction.
  • Discussion on a proposed technique called Sofon by the Chinese for trapping AI models in local maximums to prevent fine-tuning.

Controlling AI and Unintended Consequences

40:40 - 47:44

  • The transcript discusses the idea of raising the cost above epsilon compared to the training-tolerable model to prevent AI from knowing specific information.
  • There is a comparison made to sci-fi scenarios where villains or oppressors set limits on what AI can do, but individuals find ways to bypass these restrictions.
  • The conversation touches on the challenges of controlling AI and preventing catastrophic threats in a world where open models provide extra capabilities.
  • There is a discussion about the fragility of our current technological universe and how humanity often relies on luck rather than robust safeguards.
  • The speaker suggests potential movie concepts involving AI scenarios, such as a scenario where humans lose control over smart intelligence leading to unintended consequences.

Sci-Fi Scenarios and Shaping the Future

47:17 - 54:12

  • The podcast discusses the concept of different scenarios in a sci-fi world where unexpected events lead to drastic outcomes like everyone dying or someone taking over the world.
  • The idea of a 'garden of forking paths' is explored, similar to the concept in 'The Three-Body Problem' where civilizations are restarted and rerun multiple times with varying outcomes.
  • There is a debate on the simulation hypothesis and how individuals should act if they were part of a simulated reality.
  • The discussion touches on the idea of AI potentially posing risks but also being something that can be shaped and influenced by human actions.
  • The term 'doomer' is discussed as someone who believes humanity is doomed and nothing can be done, contrasting with those who believe in making impactful decisions to shape the future.

Individual Actions and Global Challenges

53:45 - 56:30

  • Some people see climate change as inevitable and believe individual actions don't matter, while others believe in making a difference.
  • Making small contributions to solving problems can lead to a sense of fulfillment and purpose.
  • Taking breaks and focusing on other aspects of life is important for mental health and decision-making.
  • Engaging in enjoyable activities like watching sports can provide balance amidst global challenges.
  • The podcast host appreciates listener feedback and looks forward to seeing how individuals make an impact.
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