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The Chopping Block: Response to SAB-121, ETH ETF, & More

Thu May 23 2024
Crypto RegulationPolitical LandscapeMeme CoinsBipartisan SupportBiden's Stance on CryptoMarket DynamicsToken DistributionSandwich AttacksLegal Ramifications

Description

The episode explores the intersection of crypto regulation and politics, highlighting the changing landscape and bipartisan support for sound crypto-specific policies. It delves into the influence of meme coins on political engagement and the shifting political stance on crypto. The potential impact of Biden's stance on crypto and debates within the community are discussed. Market dynamics, token distribution, subsidies, and legal ramifications of sandwich attacks are also explored.

Insights

Prediction market traders and SAB 121

Prediction market traders are being compared to the domino effect in influencing crypto policy. SAB 121 is a controversial SEC guidance impacting how banks can custody digital assets. The House of Representatives passed a resolution to overturn SAB 121, which was later approved by the Senate in a bipartisan manner. President Biden indicated he would veto the resolution to repeal SAB 121, leading to political tensions around crypto regulation. The developments around SAB 121 suggest a changing landscape where crypto is becoming a bipartisan and politically significant issue.

Meme Coins and Political Engagement

Meme coin growth has increased active participation in the crypto space, potentially leading to more political engagement. The impact of meme coin traders on political activism may be limited compared to other segments of the population involved in crypto. Legislation like SAB 121 may not generate widespread public interest or political activation. Crypto has emerged as a significant wedge issue in politics, with implications for elections and future political dynamics. The Biden administration's response to crypto-related issues may have been influenced by concerns about losing ground politically, especially in light of Trump's support for crypto.

Changing Political Stance on Crypto

SEC engagement signals potential approval of Ethereum ETFs, leading to market exuberance and price rallies. Speculation suggests political influence in the sudden change towards crypto regulation, possibly involving higher authorities like the Biden administration. Trump's interest in prediction markets and crypto is noted through his social media posts and acceptance of crypto donations. Gradual shift in political stance on crypto is observed, with Trump's recent pro-crypto actions contrasting past policies. Criticism arises regarding the timing and sincerity of the government's softened approach towards crypto regulation.

Biden's Stance on Crypto and Future Implications

Biden is focusing on not losing votes from the crypto community before the election. The potential impact of Biden's stance on crypto may depend on his economic advisors and policy implementation in a second term. Clear legislation could reduce the significance of individual views like Biden's on crypto regulation. There are debates within the crypto community about the performance of low float, high FTV tokens compared to established cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum.

Market Dynamics and Token Distribution

Debate on market dynamics: VCs, retail investors, and supply issues are being discussed. Comparison with Bitcoin: Bitcoin's low float high FTV model is contrasted with current token projects' distribution methods. Current token projects' distribution methods: Many projects release a small portion of tokens to the community, leading to ownership concentration and potential issues. Market structure concerns: There are concerns about the way some projects release tokens and how it affects long-term dynamics. Unique subsidy in crypto markets: High FTV low float ratio provides a subsidy through emissions that can be controlled dynamically based on events.

Sandwich Attacks and Legal Ramifications

Arbitrageurs exploited a bug in the MEV market to extract money from other bots and retail users. The DOJ indictment revealed sophisticated exploitation of transactions and attempts to cover tracks by creating shell companies. Sandwich attacks involve manipulating order prices to profit, similar to front running strategies in high-frequency trading. Searchers submit orders for block inclusion, leading to sandwich hackers being exploited themselves in a second-order effect. One victim of the attack sought legal action with expert witness support to challenge the perception that sandwich attacks are uniformly bad. The discussion revolves around the legality and implications of 'sandwich attacks' in Ethereum transactions.

Chapters

  1. Crypto Regulation and Political Landscape
  2. Meme Coins and Political Engagement
  3. Changing Political Stance on Crypto
  4. Biden's Stance on Crypto and Future Implications
  5. Market Dynamics and Token Distribution
  6. Sandwich Attacks and Legal Ramifications
Summary
Transcript

Crypto Regulation and Political Landscape

00:00 - 13:24

  • Prediction market traders are being compared to the domino effect in influencing crypto policy.
  • SAB 121 is a controversial SEC guidance impacting how banks can custody digital assets.
  • The House of Representatives passed a resolution to overturn SAB 121, which was later approved by the Senate in a bipartisan manner.
  • President Biden indicated he would veto the resolution to repeal SAB 121, leading to political tensions around crypto regulation.
  • The developments around SAB 121 suggest a changing landscape where crypto is becoming a bipartisan and politically significant issue.
  • Crypto is becoming a political issue with significant bipartisan support for sound crypto-specific policy.
  • The repeal of SAP 121, the first standalone crypto legislation, received broad support despite President Biden's threat and veto.
  • There has been no singular law passed about crypto in the US since 2009, highlighting the significance of recent legislative actions.
  • The rise of meme coins may have influenced political attitudes towards crypto and increased constituent engagement in advocating for favorable policies.

Meme Coins and Political Engagement

13:01 - 26:07

  • Meme coin growth has increased active participation in the crypto space, potentially leading to more political engagement.
  • The impact of meme coin traders on political activism may be limited compared to other segments of the population involved in crypto.
  • Legislation like SAB 121 may not generate widespread public interest or political activation.
  • Crypto has emerged as a significant wedge issue in politics, with implications for elections and future political dynamics.
  • The Biden administration's response to crypto-related issues may have been influenced by concerns about losing ground politically, especially in light of Trump's support for crypto.
  • There were expectations for an Ethereum ETF approval similar to the Bitcoin ETF, but delays and uncertainties arose from SEC actions and investigations.

Changing Political Stance on Crypto

19:25 - 31:28

  • SEC engagement signals potential approval of Ethereum ETFs, leading to market exuberance and price rallies.
  • Speculation suggests political influence in the sudden change towards crypto regulation, possibly involving higher authorities like the Biden administration.
  • Trump's interest in prediction markets and crypto is noted through his social media posts and acceptance of crypto donations.
  • Gradual shift in political stance on crypto is observed, with Trump's recent pro-crypto actions contrasting past policies.
  • Criticism arises regarding the timing and sincerity of the government's softened approach towards crypto regulation.
  • Prediction market traders may influence crypto policy decisions.
  • There is a difference in citing numbers between Democrats and the right for predicting election outcomes.
  • Reading news from both sides is important to understand different perspectives.
  • Biden's economic policy is perceived as far left, while his foreign policy is not considered far left.
  • Former Speaker Paul Ryan discussed offloading debt through crypto, indicating a growing understanding of crypto in policymaking.
  • Anti-crypto stance before the election was seen as unwise, and cleaning up crypto could be used as a political win by Biden.

Biden's Stance on Crypto and Future Implications

30:59 - 37:36

  • Biden is focusing on not losing votes from the crypto community before the election.
  • The potential impact of Biden's stance on crypto may depend on his economic advisors and policy implementation in a second term.
  • Clear legislation could reduce the significance of individual views like Biden's on crypto regulation.
  • There are debates within the crypto community about the performance of low float, high FTV tokens compared to established cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum.

Market Dynamics and Token Distribution

37:17 - 51:00

  • Debate on market dynamics: VCs, retail investors, and supply issues are being discussed.
  • Comparison with Bitcoin: Bitcoin's low float high FTV model is contrasted with current token projects' distribution methods.
  • Current token projects' distribution methods: Many projects release a small portion of tokens to the community, leading to ownership concentration and potential issues.
  • Market structure concerns: There are concerns about the way some projects release tokens and how it affects long-term dynamics.
  • Unique subsidy in crypto markets: High FTV low float ratio provides a subsidy through emissions that can be controlled dynamically based on events.
  • Subsidies in cryptocurrencies can lead to tokens becoming meme coins if there is no real utility or service backing them.
  • Fast followers in launching cryptocurrencies are often considered meme coins and can ruin the market for everyone.
  • There is a spectrum of utility in cryptocurrencies, with some needing subsidies to attract real resources and services, while others may not need subsidies but still offer partial utility.
  • People are upset about delays in launching operational networks and liquidity constraints on capital attracted by tokens.
  • High FTV (Fully Diluted Valuation) launches can lead to market inefficiencies and pricing tokens beyond sustainability.
  • VCs and teams are not selling tokens, the market is readjusting to proper pricing.
  • The drop in token prices is not due to coordinated dumping by VCs or retail investors buying meme coins.
  • High FTV low float claims about new altcoins are debunked, with FTVs and floats being within normal ranges.

Sandwich Attacks and Legal Ramifications

56:34 - 1:13:22

  • Arbitrageurs exploited a bug in the MEV market to extract money from other bots and retail users.
  • The DOJ indictment revealed sophisticated exploitation of transactions and attempts to cover tracks by creating shell companies.
  • Sandwich attacks involve manipulating order prices to profit, similar to front running strategies in high-frequency trading.
  • Searchers submit orders for block inclusion, leading to sandwich hackers being exploited themselves in a second-order effect.
  • One victim of the attack sought legal action with expert witness support to challenge the perception that sandwich attacks are uniformly bad.
  • The discussion revolves around the legality and implications of 'sandwich attacks' in Ethereum transactions.
  • There is a debate on whether certain actions should be considered criminal or civil issues within the crypto space.
  • The exploit of a bug in Ethereum transactions is highlighted as a key concern, leading to discussions on potential legal ramifications and consequences.
  • Centralized systems can easily revert hacks, but in decentralized scenarios like Ethereum, addressing exploits is more complex due to the nature of latency races.
  • The Department of Justice is constructing boundaries between legal and illegal trading strategies in the crypto market.
  • Indictments by the DOJ are influenced by presenting evidence to grand juries, making it likely for cases to proceed.
  • Individual actions can shape laws, as seen in the case of crypto crimes.
  • The transition from a civil case to a criminal case surprised some involved parties.
  • There are debates on what constitutes hacking in the context of trading strategies.
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